Joe calls Bob on the phone

Joe: I have an opinion.

Bob: Interesting, I disagree with your opinion.

Joe: WHAT!?! You're a bad person! -I'm going to call the phone company and have them block *every* single person with your area code from calling or texting *every* single person from MY area code!

Bob: What? Won't the affect literally thousands of people who have nothing to do with this conversation?

Joe: Yes. but... you made me angry😡

Bob: uh... ok ❓

@Cyrax Was Bob also micro-aggressive when he answered the phone? By having a deep voice or speaking first?

@Cyrax People usually sign up to an instance because they approve of the admins' community policies. Instance blocking happens because that instances' community fundamentally conflicts with yours. It's *meant*to affect thousands of people.

For instance; I don't care to hear from communities that welcome neofascists. I don't really care if that kind of instance is blocked by my admin.

Though you don't like instance blocking, maybe you should try secure scuttlebutt?

@Cyrax alternatively, Bob could say "卐卐卐 GAS THE (((JEWS))) 卐卐卐" and completely warrant the instance block because the world does not function in the vacuum

@kat @Cyrax
You appear to have missed the point. I'll highlight it for you:

Bob: What? Won't the affect literally thousands of people who have nothing to do with this conversation?

I await my instance block.

@r000t @Cyrax if your instance contains a lot of Nazis, it will incentivize the non-nazis to move to the instances without Nazis. Instance blocks aren't some kind of doomsday as long as there are other instances eager to host your stuff. If they don't like you specifically, instance admins don't have to block the entire instance, they can block you specifically.

@kat @Cyrax
The problem, you will find, are the amount of instance admins who will affix the "nazi" label to anybody who isn't an ideological carbon copy of themselves.

@r000t @Cyrax you mean liberals call tankies and anarchists Nazis because their ideologies aren't the same? that doesn't sound like what's actually happening

@r000t @Cyrax many instances have outspoken centrists as well. I don't see any political bias on fediverse.

@Cyrax I had that custom emoji of joe with the phone but I think I lost it :/


Except that you're using a completely incompatible analogy.

Unlike area codes, people opt into the instances they use and can switch instances with less friction than switching phone numbers. Also, excepting direct messages, everything said on Mastodon is shown to everyone. Also, instances have moderators, whereas phone calls simply do not. These differences are important and inter-related

Really, just by how meaningfully not analogous Mastodon is to a phone you're off to a bad start.


Digging into details of why your analogy is crap: the fact that people self-select instances mean that people choose their instances for a reason, usually either the topic or the policies of that instance.

However, instances often have incompatible goals. Instances meant to be a safe space for vulnerable people or that have policies of keeping out fascist propaganda are incompatible with free speech absolutist instances.


Getting to how whatever dumb shit you previously said that caused people to consider an instance ban relates:

You publicly said something (it might be informative to see exactly what) without backlash from moderators of your instance that to whoever was reporting the post believed showed that the policies of the instance you were using were incompatible with the policies of their instance. If the instance they were on subsequently blocked the instance you were on, their admins agreed.


And that's what it finally comes down to:

After having this brought to their attention, the admins of their instance determined whether the policies and practices of the instance you were on were fundamentally counter to the practices and policies if their own.

@Cyrax so, can’t I just kick a person I disagree with from my house?

@Cyrax sometimes instance blocks are based on ridiculous reasons, but it’s still fine, as you have much more servers to choose from

@m4sk1n @Cyrax you can, but that doesnt justify your action. you cant act righteous about it


Joe: I have an opinion.

Bob: Interesting, I disagree with your opinion.

Joe: You nazi! Everyone you associate with is also a nazi! I hate nazis!

Bob: What? How am I a nazi?

Joe: If you need to ask that question, you’re a nazi!

And then Joe blocks Bob and tries to ridicule him and ruin his career and social status.

In #Finland we have a law called 'incitement to hatred' or 'incitement against people group'. I like this law because it doesn't directly deal with racism or ideologies, but rather certain speech. So if where to claim all the Marsians where dumb and should be dump onto their own little Island, then this could fullfill that, or that they shouldback from where they originated from.

@kennetmattfolk You like that law? You like the the state telling you what opinions you're allowed to have? Yikes mate

No, no one tells me my opinions. You simply need to be able to say your opinion in a non-inciting way. It's the same with our nationalist party that oppose immigration, they are incapable of talking about without Racism and impartial data.
The Law doesn't ban any topics. An opinion is an opininion, how it is expressed is different, there are certain common sense examples that a opinion can be interperted as inciting, and examples where's not.

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